They will never apologize.
The words, it was ALWAYS up to the individual conscience to decide will get them off the hook.
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What if the Watchtower Changed .......
by IslandWoman inif the watchtower changed it's blood doctrine to one where publishers could do what their conscience dictated without fear of reprisals from the brothers, if they also quit using the two witness rule and said all criminal accusations must be reported to the police, if they stopped shunning, if they said all df and da'd could associate with their friends and family, if they apologized to ray franz and all others who were hurt by their policies; would exjws respect their dogma and refrain from putting down their religious beliefs to their faces?.
this is an important question, more important than you know.
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All that pain, loneliness, lack of real love, ----- stare and wonder, WHAT?
by Its so simple inalmost 90% of the jw's in the ranks right now, knew/hoped the 1914 things was right.
there is almost a collective 'sigh' that you can hear among the followers.
child molestation, selling buildings, commercials on tv, and the relentless march of internet information is going to erode the imperseptable increase to a decrease.
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Almost 90% of the JW's in the ranks right now, knew/hoped the 1914 things was right. There is almost a collective 'sigh' that you can hear among the followers. Child molestation, selling buildings, commercials on TV, and the relentless march of internet information is going to erode the imperseptable increase to a decrease.
The real issue is the state of these people. No doubt all here are mostly ex JW's and have been burned in some way or another. But think unselfishly for a moment, there are sooo many people that are going to have feelings of hurt and betrayal. So many promises made, and then just cast aside. It seems to me that the B'org' is in a massive reform process. It is making the change from an organization with a face ( Franz, Barr, who's the guy who just died? ) to an unthinking and NO DOUBT soon to be very ineffective organization that will be brought about by legal and financial pressures. They there will be nothing. It will become like a favorite sports team. Something that can be cast aside at the most simplest dissappointment, ie trading your favorite player. Then all that passion that you may have had ( albeit during gametime only ) can just be gone. Have you ever noticed that Kingdom Halls have no sentimental value? At the height of your fanaticism for the B'org', if the hall you attended burned down, would you have even had a pang of sadness? NO, build another one.
I look at many people that I still like that are 'in'. Their eyes are shut tight and their words are pre-programmed. It is so sad. This is a lesson to everyone to think about the consequenses of anything you undertake. Do you think CT Russ had any idea of the hurt and oppression that would come from his no doubt well intentioned efforts?
I want to help them, but they are not ready. The saddest part is, they may never be ready. If you are out, enjoy your freedom. Let go of your bitterness. Think of whats worse being in and being misled by blind guides, or out and knowing you were once blind? I don't know, all I know is I'm sad for the prisoners of the WT.
Maybe it's not so simple
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To its so simple......
by avishai inthis is from your post about your story, how you got here.
i must say though, i have no regrets.
i listened when they said, can you do more?
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Acting is all part of it. The more theatrical you can be, the better. Especially in a comittee meeting.
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To its so simple......
by avishai inthis is from your post about your story, how you got here.
i must say though, i have no regrets.
i listened when they said, can you do more?
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Avashi,
P.S.
My comments about the "Angries" were specifically pointed at one person,"SixOfNines", who referred to me as "you newbies". His response to me, and the subsequent comments of others toward him, call attention to his comments being an attack. I felt it was fair to assume that he was angry given his attack on me. My comments were simply what they were titled, "how I got here & the beginning of the end". I did this as a courtesy to whomever might appreciate it.
Nevertheless, my apology for any offense to you still stands. I'm very sorry for the injustice that was done to your brother and the further injustice done by the org.
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To its so simple......
by avishai inthis is from your post about your story, how you got here.
i must say though, i have no regrets.
i listened when they said, can you do more?
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Avi,
I was not aware of most of what I allude to when it was happening. I assure you I'm not smug, and I know there is a lot of damage that has been done. My comments about being as 'deficient as others' relates to people who never ran the entire route the WTBS laid out for them. So in the back of their minds ( because of the essential elements of mind control ) they wonder if it's because they failed to peform. One who never 'does much' is constantly put down in talks, comments, magazine articles etc. Then as you start to fade, or whatever approach you take to your departure, you are on the defensive because WHOEVER is talking to you is going to be in a superior position. They are more rightous etc. All of this is arbitrary but it's where the mind control does it's work. If one had run to a point where you knew no one in the org anywhere had much on you, then all bets are off. It changes the dynamics completely. This is not said with any arrogance but rather an unfeeling evaluation of the circumstances of individuals and the effects of mind control. If it helps any my wife is always saying to me, "not everyone can make completly emotionless desicions like you." What ends up happening is when you state things about yourself such as "I was a good speaker etc" it comes accross ( especially in chat ) as arrogant. However, these were the essential items related to what I was discussing. I could go on and relate how I'm also very impetuous. Often insensitive and create hurt feelings ( Hey isnt' that what I did here? ) Those weaknesses I have I'm just as aware of as my strenghts and admit them freely. However they were not relevant to what I was talking about so I didn't include them.
I would never want to cause offense or hurt feelings. I apologize with all sincerity. My screen name simply implies that the simplicity of the dynamics. Emotions tend to be more complicated to deal with because they often don't adhere to the facts.
If I have hurt anyone else by my unfeeling approach please be sure and let me know.
Sincerely,
ISS
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Why Do JW's Applaud At The End Of Each Day's District Convention Prayer?
by minimus inany ideas??
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OH COME ON!!! The dank MOE! THE DANK!!
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Why Do JW's Applaud At The End Of Each Day's District Convention Prayer?
by minimus inany ideas??
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I personally applauded because it was over.
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Hey Temecula, anyone ever call you by the name of STEVE T?
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Don't forget the expansion book on the Awake article "The Amazing Horses Ass"
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Imagine If The Watchtower Apologzed For Their Sins
by minimus inone thing that is commonly brought up is how the society has made so many mistakes and uttered so many false prophecies.
i just wonder what would happen if the watchtower ever came out and asked forgiveness for their sins and asked to start a clean slate.
(you know, like the pope did a couple of years ago).
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OK here we go, This is how the apology would read. Some have mistakenly concluded that we have said things that are wrong. Down through time there have been many that have been credited with the words and assumptions of others. If a glass of poison was poured out in the woods would you make your child pass through the fire?
So it is with the greatest humility that only a humble slave could muster that we offer these words. May Jehovah continue to bless his own as we decide what that is for him without any mistakes.
WTB BS S Extra BS is for ...................... you guessed it............ BIBLE STUDY!